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Hot List Fan Mail

BOMB: One of the things I enjoy most about the Hot List is the comments we receive and the interaction with readers. So let's keep it going. Texasgolfer wrote to ask why a ball may be Silver one year and Gold the next when there were no apparent changes to the product, citing the Top-Flite D2 as an example. Fair question, but there is an answer. Last year we only had two categories of golf balls and the gold balls in the category the D2 was in were the two Titleist NXT balls, Callaway HX Hot and Bridgestone’s e5 and e6. This year, balls were split into three categories and D2 no longer competed with any of those golf balls. They were in a different category and D2 became one of the top balls in its category (balls under $21). Still, there are instances where products will stay on the list from one year to the next and move up or down a level. Fact is, a company may have tweaked the product. Or it may have added something like a fitting component that it didn’t have the year before. Its position in the marketplace may have changed. It may have done well in a category in which more points were allocated from one year to the next. And the competition it faces definitely changes. These are all factors each and every year. As agent Drew Rosenhaus would say, "next question?"

GOUGE: Thanks for the devil's spawn lead-in. Those who want a comprehensive look at all of our thoughts about the Hot List should check out the interview with B&G on golfwrx.com. That should answer most questions, but rickkane's criticisms are worth a separate conversation.

First, regarding the Hot List being like the Masters, all I can say is the Hot List is not like a stroke play golf tournament. What you call "performance" is reflected in several of our criteria (something that has a lot of tour use or consumer satisfaction obviously "performs," for example). We choose our criteria because we are trying to identify the products that are the most significant in the game. There is no single set of "performance" attributes that would present one driver or one putter or even a group of putters or drivers over others because it just can’t be done. All of the products presented for the Hot List work to varying degrees. All of our 240 finalists are very solid in the blocking and tackling. We are identifying only the truly exceptional. Like I’ve said before, the Ping Eye2 irons still work very well. But a 20-year-old technology is not going to be highlighted on the 2008 Hot List. Our process looks to highlight products that move the needle in exceptional ways, ways that go beyond does the club work.

Point-by-point:
No. 1: Technology is what every equipment company touts in selling its new products. We’re merely evaluating that technology. And don't forget that includes the concept of innovation, which means more lofts, new materials, increased fitting options all work in a product's favor. Opting out of evaluating technology is telling the reader that everybody's technology is the same, when we clearly feel that it is not.

No. 2: Our panelists only hit clubs appropriate to their skill set. That means mid- and high-handicappers don't hit player’s irons. It also means low handicappers don’t hit super game improvement irons.

No. 3: VALUE incorporates a product's worth vs. its price. That idea of worth extends beyond the purchase. Just as there is more value when you trade-in your Mercedes (and one could certainly argue there is more intrinsic value in simply driving a Mercedes), we believe there is more VALUE in certain products and certain brands of golf equipment (and it is documented in figures from the PGA.com Value Guide).

As always, the discussion surrounding the Hot List is infinitely more inspiring than it is frustrating. We think more golfers need to be talking about how the new equipment might help their games. We hope the Hot List fuels those discussions.

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In driver testing I noticed the different "spin" levels. Is there an optimum amount (i.e. lower the better for certain swing speeds, etc.)? How does it correlate, if at all, to the "spin" amounts for the ball you use?

GOUGE: Everything in equipment is highly dependent on the particular launch conditions of every player, and in turn, can be affected by the ball used. That said, the overwhelming majority of golf balls are fairly low spin off the tee. To get the maximum carry, you would need to launch a ball at 45 degrees with zero spin. But that's not very realistic. The best a human can hope for is around 17 degrees with 1700-1800 spin, but even that is a little far-fetched. Shoot for around 2700 spin and 12 degrees of launch, a little more launch and spin the slower you swing.

Posted by breaking80 January 8, 2008 11:54 AM

Concerning the Hotlist I could not agree more with the spirit and intent of the whole exersize. It's a starting point in the selection process. Brand loyalty needs to take a back seat to what actually feels and fits right. Pros stick with one brand because of sponsorship. Buying Tiger's, or anyone else's, clubs will not turn your game into theirs. I believe scores would drop significantly if guys would first lower their egos and buy what works for their game instead of what so-and-so is swinging.

Posted by Huge January 10, 2008 11:56 AM

I just read the equipment issue of Golf Digest for the third time. All I still know, is every club tested was great. Would it not help your readers if each person that tested the clubs could list their preference and why? This would be a great help.

GOUGE: The Hot List is not a free-for-all of varying average golfers' opinions. It is a meticulous consideration of the equipment universe by four people whose primary job is to study new golf equipment every day of the week. If we consider a universe of more than 500 products, and we winnow it down to 130 of extreme significance, we think that is the best way to help average golfers start -- repeat, START -- their own investigations of new golf equipment.

Posted by golfwizard January 13, 2008 11:00 PM

Thanks for dividing the balls according to price. I have a wife to remind me I can't afford to pay $40+ per dozen. Looks like I'll be playing Top Flite D2 this year. Aside from the occasional Titleist I find in the trees.

Posted by mbrian60 January 16, 2008 7:52 PM

Hey guys, first of all great job (again) on the Hot List. I look forward to it every year, it is by far my favourite issue produced by any golf magazine. I fit somewhere between players and game improvement irons so I was interested in your article "Which to Choose?". The article gives one the impression that SGI irons are the best for both accuracy and distance, however I wonder how valid the test was if your only concern was using players with different swing speeds. I would love to see results from a similar study comparing players with similar handicapps. In other words would a low handicapper hit the SGI irons more accurate than GI or players irons? I am in the market for new sticks and the Hot List is a great tool for me. Last question - when you recommend that the TM R7 TP should be on anyone's short list, would you consider it almost as forgiving as a GI iron? I know, I need to give it a try as it is player specific, but just wanted your expert opinions. Thanks again for the great issue. I always read your Bomb and Gouge articles as well. For some reason I find the equipment articles more interesting than many of the swing tips and lessons.

Cheers from Canada.

Posted by Howie January 21, 2008 7:17 AM

I wanted to thank you for the great Hot List edition. I took all my old editions of the Hotlist and lined them up around me, spent hours and hours comparing the issues, the club makers and ball companies who are continually at the top of the lists, and rereading the comments. My conclusion:
The Hot List is a great jumping off point in the search for new clubs. I used the 2007 to purchase a new driver and set of irons. What I learned was that each set of clubs had their own benefits. I hit the game improvement editor's choice, gold medalists the "Value" choice, the "buzz" choice and a couple of silver medalists. For my game (coming from Blades), the Editor's choice was too clunky. My final decison was between the Mizuno and the Cobra's and not noting significant difference, I went with the Cobras. My best buddies also used the list and hit multiple sets. Final results...1 set of Mizunos 1025s, 1 set of Cobra Fps, 1 set of Ping G5s, 1 set of TaylorMades.
There were also new drivers, new wedges, new putters and new balls put into play, all from the hotlist. Without the hot list as a guide, it would have been overwhelming to try and decide what clubs were best for our individual games.
I guess what I am saying is these are not "one size fits all" answers. Take the list, try the different products, take a look at different technoligies, and how the club fits YOUR eye and game, and then make a decision. If you are going to drop $500 to $1,000 on something most of us keep at least 3 years, and usually closer to 7 or 10 for us broke guys, don't take someone else's word for what's best, try it and pick what is best for you. With demo days, and shops letting you try before you buy, there is no reason to take someone else's word for YOUR game.

Posted by smash1990 January 28, 2008 2:12 PM

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